@inthehands oh holy fuck is there really NO POINT in engaging them. Our headmate Peter thinks he can land a few useful punches at least with well-chosen words (short and...very much not sweet) but the general impression I get from that crowd is that if you hit them in some way, they just...pump up the old #meme machine again and disgorge some words (possibly all LLM generated now) that have served them for many decades of chewing on their memories of Reagan and Thatcher and Ayn Fucking Rand